Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: Just Speak
politics, religion, philosophy, whatever is on your mind, just put it on here, my question to you is what do you dislike in society?
why post up this question? you never know who you are 'til you know where you stand, best way to do that, is to just speak
so here's me
--i love autumn and winter, i'm pro-choice, i'm agnostic, i'm a democrat who's favors more gov. control so that we may have more benefits (free health care, free college education, more involved in the environment and economy, things like that) i'm against standardized testing, no test can tell me what i know, not one, i'm for what they call assisted suicide, i believe that people who are in a lot of pain shouldn't have to spend their final months in agony, so they should have the choice of being given "relief" if an escape from this life is all there is to give them, that's me in a nutshell
as for what bothers me, not a lot of people know what they're for or against, and just don't care, but apathy is what leads to fall of societies, i dislike thinking that nobody really does care, that they're all thinking about themselves, and only care about what happens if it affects them
so prove me wrong, what are you all about? _________________ quote me
Gender: Age: 22 Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 143 Location: U.S.
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject:
Actually apathy is definetley NOT what brought down Athens that would be civil unrest from a few of the things you agree with... and other things republicans want to do too... Actually mostly I would say it was the Darius's and Xerses and maybe the romans, but oh well...
interesting... aight to john locke jr, if people are apathetic than the government is likely to take away more freedoms current example *the patriot act is incredibly unconstitutional* examples found in the past, loss of property and taxes, the less people do the more the government takes over, john locke the real one, knew this, and the u.s constitution was framed after his ideas, doesn't the constitution after all start with we the people? well, right now we the people have no opinion, but we the few do, so we the few take over in politics and will soon take over you, get this statement? alright
i'll use another recent example, gay rights wouldn't have been won if nobody had had an opinion about them, and now as for gay marriages a bill has been proposed to make it illegal, well, what does society have to say about it? nothing, society doesn't care, only lobbyists do, and how many are there, two, how many in those, not many, so who'll win? ha, the gov. will, oh and how gruesome a day that will be, to take a person's right of marriage, simply because in bush's eyes it's wrong, going to war was wrong, but how many people care? only the few that do are heard, and i want a lot of people to be heard, that's why i titled this topic just speak
in short apathy leads to unrest, and netsky, i'd say you're stalking me, lol, and yeah, must have sucked living in the dark ages, interesting essay slash story* since i read it more like a story* an essay would have bored me, but hey, it's good to fight back bullies, what's your stand in life? you're standing against those who opposed you, and that's great, i would do the same, but i'm the intimidating one, lol _________________ quote me
Gender: Age: 22 Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 143 Location: U.S.
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject:
I’m sorry but this country nor any other country in history has had a problem with apathy... If you recall this most recent election showed that America is definitely alive and thriving in politics (bush received the most votes ever and had the highest margin of win since I think Reagan). As for the patriot act, the only way it goes against the constitution is by violating the clause in the 14th amendment. (Right to Privacy) And that is a necessary evil to combat the war on terror. The constitutional ban on gay marriage was defeated in the house... and I believe 13 states have voted to ban it... States meaning actual people voted against it, no lobbyists there lol... Gay rights were never stifled thanks to the ACLU, so I have no idea what you are complaining about... Your group is the most vocal of all as a matter of fact... I think the liberals are mad because they are losing their iron grip on American thought so they think the world has gone to pot when really people are just beginning to see the light. The original John Locke lined out democracy in its perfect form and although the "framers" stole his ideas (in part) this country is still a capitalistic, democratic republic. Good argument though...
the states have all the right to ban it, 10th amendment allows it, but the federal gov doesn't, especially not because of a religious belief, and that's all those states have too, ever hear of sodom and gomarr? i have, only because people believe too much in that myth that they themselves predict the fall of this country to gays, what the hell does that tell you, how many people there are actually questioning their logic, and going against what they've been taught? none, if they have a book written a long time ago controlling their thoughts, no, i want people who can question things to speak up, as for the election that was a disappointment, since i've heard from too many friends and teachers that did vote that a lot of people asked for what candidate belonged to what party, (i can't vote because i was born in a different country and can't take the u.s citizenship test for a couple years) they basically went out and vote because a rapper, singer, some sort of celebrity said he/she was going to, thanks to them a lot of ignorant people went out and voted, if this means that this country is thriving, then yeah, now i'm going to say i'm going to the u.k *fuck canadia,* no one would consider ignorance to be thriving, and apathy has a lot to do with things, george washington for example wanted to free slaves, thomas jefferson too,but in order to get states to pass the constitution or sign the declaration of independence they gave in to the popular social ideas, instead of speaking out, they in turn left the slavery issue to be ignored 'til the civil war when the northern states decided to speak against it, and do something about it
though not clear, think harder, apathy has a lot to do with things _________________ quote me
Gender: Age: 22 Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 143 Location: U.S.
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:14 am Post subject:
Ok, first off its Sodom and Gomorrah... And don’t insult me because I believe in that "stupid book” I’m not exactly an opponent of gays nor am I necessarily republican (independent actually) I just have clear coherent well thought out opinions... Now for your second point, you do realize you're agreeing with me right?? I don’t know who you’re talking to, but it doesn't matter what lame excuse liberals come up with Bush was elected with a MANDATE from the people of the US and that is that. Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves and neither wanted to get rid of them... lol. Good cite on amendment ten, by the way thanks I agree... Unfortunately you will never find a civilization in history that collapsed from people not caring aka apathy. It just never happened nor will it ever. Sorry you’re just wrong about that. Again a well constructed argument, thanks for the fun.
i know they both had slaves, washington's slaves were freed only after his death, and secondly, lol, what was my second point? my points are scrambled in their together, that's why i would make a horrible public speaker and rather practice debaiting, 'til then yeah, and i'm sorry, i didn't mean to insult you, i got carried away, hell, insults, are even a political tactic, mud slinging and all at the end of debaits questioning everybody's character and stuff, glad it didn't go that far, but yeah i've just heard too many people use the bible to make judgements, and i really dislike it, i was raised pentecostal so i have a lot of penned up rage against religion, seeing as how i had to witness a pastor beat his children infront of us and tell us it was god's will since they disobeyed, these people strictly follow the bible, like all 1300 commandments, *yes there are that many* i'm mostly into science, and having heard about certain scientific advances denied because it's not correct to do so in religion since it's playing god, i lose it, anyways, yeah it was fun, i'm all out of things to say, lol, well, next time i'll prepare a case, and as to agreeing and disagreeing, even democrats disagree, remember in the beginning we had like 8 different candidates or so, and yeah, i help out the green party whenever i can, i agree with their beliefs, being against war, and for more care of our environment, more benefits, and stuff, so what independent branch would you relate to most? _________________ quote me
netsky topic here: defining "essay" for its root meanings.
old limerick:
There was a young lady of Lynne
Who was so exceedingly thin
That when she essayed
To drink lemonade
She slipped through the straw and fell in.
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what means "essay" in that context? The usage was once common.
It should be commonly understood today, but is not.
Essay is much too valuable word ot relegate simply for a form of short prose exposition.
Primarily i am an essay writer. What i do in essay form is attempt to put a reader into my own real-life history events. I essay (attempt) to paint the reader into the thoughts and emotions i felt on some day either long ago, or yesterday. That is my primary bag- to put a part of my "heart" or emotion, into the reader.
I have been essaying in written form for only four months. I'm getting pretty good at it, some say. But i essay not for praise, nor even need comment per se.. but comments and even strong critcisims are all OK!
Why? Because in the give and take of such easy publishing i would not want to -be able- to express, yet -chill- any reader from essaying to change me back in return.
This point brings up another point in my self-hewn philosophy. This final small point i deposit right here is this, and DO feel free to jab or question it if you disagree: All communications are a manipulation
All communications are maniupulation... other than purely technical stuff like dry news reports and shopping lists. THIS posting is a manipulation.
As such, is manipulation of others' thoughts bad, or good?
Explain -why- if you the reader cares to reply.
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state in short form your own hypothesis or philosophy for the creation of theistic religion. Meaning- the root basis that compelled humans to formalize belief in their various forms of deity- causes and effects and goals. Mine comes from a non-theist's viewpoint. Theists will have their own. Let us compare notes.
YOU go first. I do not judge here!
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"i dislike thinking that nobody really does care, that they're all thinking about themselves, and only care about what happens if it affects them "
That is the most common, natural mind of man. It is the mind of the two-year old (all meemememe).
MOST men never discard that total selfishness, no matter what their Lord teaches otherwise.
The memememe thing DOES good: it makes wealth and advances in all the graces of modern living result through wealth.
Classical wisdom did not require memmeme to evolve to that high order by which our Founders created our National Cornerstone.
The best of mememme gives us our material wealth: the drive to make good for one's comfort and security and family education, etc.
The worst of mememe gives us the common bullies, the cheaters and the like.
I hold that a minority of mankind is largely free of the best and the worst of that total self-absorbtion. I do put myself in this minority, because i am not wealthy nor am i grasping. And these two go hand in hand. By living poorer one can really live richer! This is Christ's word, too. Therefore, not one original expression is found in this short-form on selfishness. I, the non-religious man is in a philosopical sense more true to the believers' God than many of the believers are, themselves.
that is not a pride in me. it is natural sense and ordered thought. We are what our natures make us to be. There is very little manual override worth crowing about. i am this way and i accept, too, that more grasping people are their way, by biological design.
Biological design??? yes- it is amply self evident to any person if he/she simply looks inside self first, then at other, contrasting personalites. There, will always be found the confirmation of the inherent trueness of self to itself: for good, bad and all ranges of in between.
self-dignity-pride... how would the reader define and segregate these three basic qualities of human "ego"?
responses and rebuttals equally welcome.
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no offense dude, but you seem to have a mature case of A.D.D netsky, but that's cool, i tend to drift off into my own little world, and yeah i guess we do agree to disagree john locke jr, it happens, now as for shakespeare!! lol, i'm kidding, i'll stop there, seems like nobody else but us three are going to write, so whatever _________________ quote me
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